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Post  Tekkaman Calamity on Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:00 pm

The presentation for Sola's and Kayneth's scene had about the same impact as when I first read it, it left me sick and disgusted, but actually in a good way. The slow methodical way it's depicted makes it much more effective then a sudden burst of blood and gore as was previously done. As an aside, Sola's eyes while she was talking about the alternative way to getting command seals gave me School Days vibes.

Otherwise a slow ep revolving around Lancer and Rider development. I mean, yeah Assassin did reveal themselves to Rider, but that matters to a whopping one person, Waver. It's not like the cripple, the insane guy, and the dying man have time to care about such details. Plus this has like zero impact on the plot anyways.

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Post  Chumara on Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:14 pm

This episode might have been a little less on the action side but it was still just as exciting as all the others.

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Post  Tekkaman Calamity on Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:40 pm

I just realize that Lancer masters seem to have bad luck when it comes to their arms...

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Post  Tekkaman Calamity on Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:23 pm

That was a pretty disgusting ahegao.

Only other thing was Kariya trying to look cool, this wasn't exactly an important episode.

But I am looking forward to the NEXT episode. The forest event, yeah looking forward to CG Greek Army!

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Post  Chumara on Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:56 pm

This was like the best episode so far, Rider is such a bro.
Oh and I totally called Gilgamesh summoning wine from his noble phantasm, so pro.

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Post  Tekkaman Calamity on Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:47 pm

Chumara wrote:This was like the best episode so far, Rider is such a bro.

Why do you think I was so hype for this episode? It establishes everything for the remainder of the series.

Also because I know your stance with literature, I've taken the liberty of grabbing the original so you can understand what they were working to animate:

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The eyes of everyone widened as they noticed the mirage-like images that appeared around him. One, two, four….there were more and more images, ever increasing. The colors become clearer and more solid.

“The reason why this world can exist again... is because it is printed upon all of our hearts.”

Under their expressions of total shock, heavily armed cavalry materialized beside Alexander. Though their faces and equipments differed, their muscular bodies and mighty chargers displayed a fierceness that could only be found in a true army.

Only one person present understood what this situation meant.

“All of these beings…are servants!”

He was the only Master here, and so he understood. Servant Alexander's trump card, his true noble phantasm, was now appearing before his eyes.

“BEHOLD, MY PEERLESS ARMY!”

The King of Conquerors stood before the lines of cavalry and raised both of his arms to the skies, shouting with immeasurable pride.
Ionian Hetairoi

“Their bodies may return to ash, but their spirits still hear my call! These men are my legendary heroes – my loyal followers! They’re my true friends - breaking the rules of space and time to fight once more at my side!”

“They are my treasure within treasures; they’re my right to rule! They make up Alexander's mightiest Noble Phantasm – Ionian Hetairoi!!”

EX rank anti-army Noble Phantasm; the consecutive summon of multiple independent Servants.

The Lord of war, the Maharaorajah, and the founders of many dynasties – the peerless array of heroic spirits gathered here were only heard reverently in legends. All of the famed warriors standing here – all of them once fought beside Alexander the Great.

A riderless horse galloped towards Rider. It was a powerful and sleek steed. If it was human, it is probably just as impressive as any one of the Heroic Spirits standing before the king.

“Long time no see, pal.”

Rider smiled childishly as he hugged the neck of his horse. “She” was the legendary charger Bucephalus. Even the horse of the King of Conquerors became an Heroic Spirit.

Apart from shock and admiration, everyone was speechless. Even Archer, who also possessed a rank EX Noble Phantasm, was utterly silent after seeing such a radiant army.

These heroes rode alongside their king on the battlefield; their wager, like the king’s, was the king’s dream.

Not even death could stop their ending loyalty. The King of Conquerors turned it into a fitting Noble Phantasm.

Saber was shaken to her core. It wasn’t the strength of the Noble Phantasm that she was afraid of, it was the fact that such a Noble Phantasm had de-stabilized her beliefs. It shook the beliefs that she held in pride.

This flawless cooperation…

This bond with subjects that became a Noble Phantasm...

It was something that the idealistic King of Knights pursued for her whole life, yet even to the end, it was something she could not obtain.

“The King - lives to the fullest!! He needs to live more fully than anyone else! He is a figure of admiration to his people!!”

Rider’s voice boomed as he sat atop his beloved steed. The Heroic Spirits began smashing their weapons against their shields, shouting in unison.

“He gathered the will of every courageous being! He marched toward that dream and began his long conquest! That is our king! Thus-”

“The King is never lonesome! For his wishes are our wishes!”

"Indeed! Indeed! Indeed!"

The majestic cries of the Heroic Spirits pierced the heavens and flew among the stars. No matter what they faced – enemy or fortress, it was powerless before the King of Conquerors and his loyal friends. Such was their spirit they could cross the earth. With this spirit, they could split the very oceans.

And thus, the Assassins standing before them was as insignificant as clouds.

“Alright, Assassin. Let us begin.”

Rider's smiling eyes were full of ruthlessness and cruelty. To someone who ignored the king’s words and declined the king’s gift, he no longer cared to hold back.

“As you can see, my preferred battlefield is the plains. Sorry, but if it's about winning by numbers, I believe I have the advantage?"

The hundred faces among the Hassans had forgotten about the Holy Grail at this moment. Forgetting victory and the mission of the Command Seal, they had already lost sense of themselves as a Servant.

Some ran away, while some screamed fruitlessly. Some others stood dumbly on their spots. The panicked mob of skull masks were indeed just a group of rabble.

“Trample them!!"

Rider commanded without hesitation.

"AAAALaLaLaLaLaie!"

The collective roar of the Ionian Hetairoi echoed in response. The peerless army that once swept across continents once again thundered across the battlefield.

This was no longer a battle. It was a massacre.

The results of using a mill to grind a sesame seed would yield more response.

Wherever the Ionian Hetairoi rode, there was not a trace of Assassins remaining. Only a faint, faint smell of blood and some dust that was swept away remained in the air.

“WOOOOOOOAAAAAA!”

With a cheer of victory, the warriors gave dedications and praise to the king. Soon, with their mission completed, they returned to spirit form and disappeared into the distance.

And as such, the bounded field generated by these heroes also disappeared. Everyone vanished as if a bubble had been popped. The scene returned to the night air. The people present once again stood in the courtyard of the Einsbern castle.

The white, clear moonlight was silent. There was nothing in the night air.

The three Servants and two magi returned to their previous seats, raising their cups once more. The ladle – sliced to bits by the dirk – stood as a testimony to all that happened.

“—How disappointing.”

Also, this segment might also be helpful:
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From the distant west, an army arrived, sweeping rolls of dust at its wake. No one dared to underestimate this invading army since the beginning.

Rumors about its might had already swept through the entire country like a gale long before this army arrived. Usurping the throne of the small country Macedonia in the far west country of Greece, the young king had since then subdued the neighboring countries in the blink of an eye, and became the leader of Corinth.


Alexander –

It was said that his ambition crossed over the Straits, and he had wanted to extend his insolent neck into this great empire of Persia.

Of course, none of the brave warriors who swore utter loyalty to protect their glorious country would bow his head before the invader. The warriors bet their augustness and honor as soldiers upon this and countered the attack of Alexander’s army. However, the soaring morale of the enemy that appeared before them terrified them horribly, and they shivered in fright.

It was not due to the command of gods or the call of the greater good; all were only to fulfil a tyrant’s desire of conquest. However – why would these soldiers have such a soaring morale, such a mighty fighting spirit? Even those warriors who swore to protect their country till their death could not contend with them.

However, it was not this that truly shocked the defeated generals.

Young Alexander, standing in front of the captives, opened his mouth and spoke as if he was a kid pulling a prank – what I want isn’t your country. I want to keep progressing toward the East.

Then, is this country merely a foothold for his continuing conquest? – No, of course not.

Then, could it be that his ambitions even exceeded the Iranian plains, and wants to conquer distant India? – No, it’s the East even further away than that.

Seeing that none of his foreign subjects could guess his intentions, the King said loudly.

“My goal is the end of the world. My destination is the furthest border of the East. I want to behold Oceanus with my own two eyes. I want leave my footprints at the beach beside that endless sea.”

Of course, no one believed in his words, and they all considered it as boasts that he used to conceal his true intentions.

But this man really did return the domination of his conquered lands to the local nobles, and brought his army away with him continuing towards the East. The defeated generals finally understood when they watched, dumbstruck, his back disappearing into the distance.

None of those ‘reasons’ that the tyrant said were lies.

He was only progressing towards the East, and swept away those who stood in his way.

How pitiful and deplorable were those soldiers who discarded all their glory and riches and left their homelands to follow him!

At first, they also felt indignant.

And they thought how deplorable they are that they have to fight due to such a foolish reason.

But very soon they, who had lost everything, suddenly thought.

What would they see behind that mountain –?

What would they see at the other side of the sky –?

To explore the unknown world; isn’t that the dream that all men had once possessed in their youth?

But as their age increased those men, who had to cement their positions and keep climbing up the social ladder, simply discarded the dream of their youth for those illusionary glories and titles. Now, this man shattered their reason of existence in one night’s time – and once again ignited the dream they had longed for in their hearts.

The men who finally understood this held up the weapons in their hands once again.

They were neither heroes, nor generals- they were just ordinary youths, having just taken out their armor and weapons from the inside of the storeroom. Those hearts from which pride and willpower had been lost, regained only the heavy thumpings of their hearts at that time, and they went after the back of the great king traveling to the east.

Thus, the army of the King increased endlessly with his victories on his road of progress.

How incredible were those people if they were to be beheld by others' eyes!

Heroes who were once defeated, generals of vanquished armies, and kings who lost their throne; everyone walked together, shoulder by shoulder, with the same smile on their faces and the same light sparkling in their eyes.

Towards Oceanus –

The men called loudly together.

Forward, to the East, to the more distant East!

Until, together with ‘that man’, they behold the legendary beach.


The long march still continued on without end.

Across boiling deserts, over chilling snow-capped mountains, fording billowing rivers, chasing away ferocious beasts, and fighting for their lives for times out of count with those alien tribes never seen before and the unknown weapons and strategies they deployed.

Innumerable soldiers died in foreign lands.

Their sight scattered while they stared at the back of the King, who continued forward.

Their hearing faded while they listened for the sounds of the tide from the distant East.

Even when they died in battle after giving all they had, their faces still held a proud smile until the end.

Very soon – they’d be able to return to the image in their dreams, the evening-mist-covered seashore that they had once seen.

There, no other sounds existed apart from the sound of the waves ceaselessly splashing against the shore; a distant and far-away sea that one cannot see the end.

That is the scene that their King described for them, but they never got to see for even once in their lives.

Therefore, this isn’t a scene in their memories –

But a scene that they continued to long for in their hearts during their heroic crusading lives.

The youth seemed to hear a billowing of the tide when the dream of the Heroic Spirit’s memories that was transmitted from a distant time and space ended.

That billowing had, perhaps, always echoed in his heart.

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Post  Tekkaman Calamity on Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:15 am

"At the Ufotable Cafe realtime screening of Fate/Zero ep11, the staff confirmed that the BD version of ep11 will be a complete and fixed version with over 5 minutes of additional footage which they couldn't fit on the TV broadcast."

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Post  Chumara on Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:06 pm

Tekkaman Calamity wrote:
"At the Ufotable Cafe realtime screening of Fate/Zero ep11, the staff confirmed that the BD version of ep11 will be a complete and fixed version with over 5 minutes of additional footage which they couldn't fit on the TV broadcast."

I didn't get around to reading that huge amount of source material you posted, but I think I get the gist, I'll try and remember to re-watch that ep when the BD's come out.

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Post  Tekkaman Calamity on Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:29 pm

Death flags, death flags everywhere. 'Course I already knew about them, but still.

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Post  Chumara on Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:03 am

Saber, the master of subtle hinting.
God it's going to suck waiting for the next season of this show.

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Post  Tekkaman Calamity on Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:24 pm

Chumara wrote:Saber, the master of subtle hinting.
God it's going to suck waiting for the next season of this show.

In the time between you can always go read a book.

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Post  Tekkaman Calamity on Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:20 pm

Ryuunosuke and Caster have a crazy off about how God gets bored and dicks people around for his own amusement, so they should amuse/worship him by going completely off their rockers. Joking aside, that was actually a rather interesting philosophical presentation.

They left out some of the humor from Waver and Rider's talk, but it's not important and they got the major parts.

Anyways, show's over until April.

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Post  Chumara on Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:52 pm

Finally watched this episode as well, Ryo/Caster have an interesting view of God, and now there are more tentacles. I hope I can remember what was happening when April comes around. Still a fantastic show though.

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Post  Tekkaman Calamity on Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:54 pm

Chumara wrote:and now there are more tentacles

There's probably a reason for that.

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Post  Tekkaman Calamity on Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:15 pm

I think this episode was 60% CG. Well I still enjoyed watching it.

Also new OP. I LOVE the song, but the visuals leave much to be desired. I mean, the grail war is reaching it's the point where every force is colliding. And the visuals just doesn't leave me charged for that.

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Post  Chumara on Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:09 am

Yeah that ep was pretty hype, I like the OP as well, especially relative to Oath Sign which I didn't care for too much.

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Post  Chumara on Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:16 pm

So the Ep 11 BD version was about 5 minutes longer, but besides the Tokiomi and Kirei conversation the rest of the added content was very subtle.

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Post  Tekkaman Calamity on Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:57 pm

Now it all makes sense. First seasons budget cuts went into animating Excalibur...

For anyone (Ruben) who might be confused about how Berserker beat Gilgamesh
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From the underside of the F15's body, scorching fireballs, like will-o'-the-wisps, slowly scattered in succession, washing over the nose of the trailing Vimana.

“What!?”

Originally, this armament called a flare dispenser simply launched out decoy heat sources in order to throw off the enemy’s heat-seeking missiles. However, as a result of being eroded by Berserker’s prana and demonized, they have even transfigured into tracking incendiary weapons. Based on their dogfight up until now, Archer made the hasty conclusion that the enemy doesn’t have a way of attacking against an enemy behind him, and therefore couldn’t cope in time to this unexpected counterattack. The bow of the Vimana plunged into the hive of roaring fire balls, lost control while surrounded by the crimson flames, and fell towards the surface of the river in a spiral.

Although he finally obtained the result of felling Archer, Berserker thought nothing of it right now. The fiendish steel bird did not even confirming the whereabouts of Archer after he sunk into the river, and with nothing but relentlessness, instead tracked down Saber and mercilessly poured down a rain of 20mm rounds.


Also, Caster's final moments:
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But in the center of the sea demon being completely burnt to cinders, within a fortress of bulky defiled flesh, Caster simply wordlessly watched over this moment of white blinding annihilation which had stolen his heart.

“…O, Oh…”

Yes – it was unmistakeably a light he had once seen in the distant past.

Had he not once been a knight who pursued and rode after this light?

The recollection, vivid and utterly unclouded, brought Gilles back to the distant past.

It was the light that shone through the stained-glass windows of the great cathedral, at the long-awaited coronation ceremony of King Charles. It was a white brilliance, a blessing of joy that wrapped around Jeanne and Gilles, who had attended as saviors and national heroes, together with the ars nova melody.

Aah, there’s no mistake – it was this light.

He could still remember it. Even now, after his fall into brutality, his entire body smeared with corruption, the memories of that day did not fade at all and remained carved into his heart.

Even if his end was stained with humiliation and revulsion, no matter how much he may be held in contempt – the glory in his past alone cannot be denied or overturned, for it was in his heart.

Something that even God or Fate will never be able to take away or violate…

Gilles de Rais was dumbstruck by the clarity of his own rapidly falling tears.

What was he confused with? Had he lost sight of something?

If he could just look back and admit it – wouldn’t that be enough?

“Just what, have I…”

Before this murmur, directed at no one, left his mouth, all matter was brought into another world, annihilated by the white light.

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Post  Tekkaman Calamity on Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:00 pm

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THIS! THIS IS WHY YOU MUST AVOID RANK E LUCK!

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Post  Ryuuka on Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:33 pm

Kiritsugu is the most awesome prick in the world.
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Post  Tekkaman Calamity on Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:42 pm

Ryuuka wrote:Kiritsugu is the most awesome prick in the world.

Considering how often Lancer helps them out, this really was a pretty dick move.

Also, this story seems to indicate it is a very bad idea to sign a contract in a Urobuchi Gen story.

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Post  Chumara on Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:04 am

Tekkaman Calamity wrote:Also, this story seems to indicate it is a very bad idea to sign a contract in a Urobuchi Gen story.

I just wanted to hit the "Like" button for this.

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Post  Tekkaman Calamity on Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:10 pm

Ah good old Tokiomi, so much hype and did absolutely frakkin nothing in this show. Ah well, this is but the first step towards good fun later down the road.

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Post  Tekkaman Calamity on Sat May 12, 2012 5:58 pm

What a great episode for mother's day. Right after the obligatory beach episode.

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Post  Chumara on Sun May 13, 2012 3:44 am

That ep seriously felt like 10 minutes, oh well back to the real story.... I guess

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